jenna: you were traveling to places like australia and central and south america to open up the franchises and you were only 20 years old. >> i was 19 and 20 years old when i was travel all over the world and trying to pursue my dream of being an engineer and an attorney at the same time traveling globally. those two things simultaneously don't really support each other so i ended up dropping out of college. jenna: a lot of folks are face thag decision righfacing that decision right now, whether or not to get a job and start working or get student loans and put themselves through school. what would your advice be. >> education is a path to personal success. there are many avenues to get there, certificate programs, classes that colleges offer. classes that companies offer to allow people to pursue their education in the short term. as they become more stable in their jobs they might be able to afford investing in higher education. jenna: you tkpw-pbt ge didn't get your college degree, you were able to get your master's degree in business. you said that's been helpful in the position you're